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    Soundcloud's mastering service
    Has anyone tried it?
    https://soundcloud.com/crepuscular

  • #2
    Yes.

    I was offered it when uploading a track: https://soundcloud.com/benedictroff-marsh/taro-tone

    Had a listen to the previews they offer It was very dramatic in how it plowed into my track. Their approach is clearly to achieve a certain profile regardless of the content. The profile/s the have are clearly assuming only certain styles of music - ones with no mids or detail outside of bom-tizz. Probably fine if you are the type wanting $5 mixes for your cliche EDM/Trap/Hyper-Pop track that is trying to sound exactly like everyone else. This completes that formula with a Joker smile delivered with Thor's Hammer.

    If however, you have mixed your track to have the overall tone & detail you want, you will probably not be happy with those results; or any other Bot from my experience:


    Try it yourself, but I must say I am very much on the side of Mixing & Mastering being a human endeavor so while Bots can be made to approximate something vaguely like what a skilled person does, it will always be one-dimensional. Therefore not the art at all.

    :-)
    Benedict Roff-Marsh
    Bandcamp:
    https://benedictroff-marsh.bandcamp.com/
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/BenedictRoffMarsh/videos

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    • #3
      I have yet to find an automated mastering service that is satisfactory in the accepted meaning of the word.

      Some of them have been remarkably dysfunctional.

      I find that an hour spent in T-Racks can be quite instructive and therapeutic, and occasionally, even enjoyable.

      Whatsisname's Little Fluffy Clouds | Campsite | Hearthis | Orfium | SeismicTC | Twitter | Ello

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      • #4
        I was talking to Jane about this over brekkie. She likened these processes to a tool she has in Blender which smooths things out based on pre-established formulas. Broadly useful but it also removes a lot of the unique detail in the model so a face looks less personalized and more generic. "Pro" smooth but generic.

        With music, we hope to be seen for who/what we are. Using a filter that strips the uniqueness from our tracks seems the complete opposite of good marketing in a crowded market where our only real hope is in attracting people looking for unique by maximizing our uniqueness.

        Yes, possibly my track above could use some pruning in the mids but then it sounds less unique.

        :-)
        Benedict Roff-Marsh
        Bandcamp:
        https://benedictroff-marsh.bandcamp.com/
        YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/BenedictRoffMarsh/videos

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seismic1 View Post
          I have yet to find an automated mastering service that is satisfactory in the accepted meaning of the word.

          Some of them have been remarkably dysfunctional.

          I find that an hour spent in T-Racks can be quite instructive and therapeutic, and occasionally, even enjoyable.
          Same here, ie Landr seems that they just squash and limits the hell out of the track and its done. Hey ! I was doing that with my first creations before learn how limiters and stuff works, Squashed and limited to death.

          But wait, besides this careless automated crap there is something more interesting outhere, do you known, and this is to all the board, the AAMS system? This is a veeeeery interesting thing. Maybe needs a separate thread.
          https://soundcloud.com/crepuscular

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          • #6
            Originally posted by crepuscular View Post
            the AAMS system? This is a veeeeery interesting thing. Maybe needs a separate thread.
            OMG, I sure hope their audio skills are better than their web design skills!
            http://www.curioza.com/

            I have downloaded to try but anything automated has to be potentially vastly flawed. Sure I could use a spectral matching (like something in a Tokyo Dawn Labs product) to e.g. take a print of Alan Parsons "Eye In The Sky" and slap it over something of mine where I am hoping to achieve some of Mr Parson's glory but it won't be making my piece any more glorious. It is fine to want to achieve some of the glory of your heroes but it is in how we "fail" that we most often find ourselves and therefore succeed. Bowie was trying to be Kraftwerk & Can, Japan tried to be Bowie, Duran Duran tried to be Japan... All great and unique acts. Using bot clones instead of human ingenuity cannot allow us to find our own greatness as we have not fought the fight ourselves.

            :-)
            Benedict Roff-Marsh
            Bandcamp:
            https://benedictroff-marsh.bandcamp.com/
            YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/BenedictRoffMarsh/videos

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            • #7
              Its' running...

              Lots of clunky animations. This thing looks so Win 95. Yet they say the latest version was Jan 2020. Now I know looks ain't evverthang but sheesh. The unnecessary bits of "artwork" are explosion in a spew factory and not reassuring at all.

              It says it is done but I have no idea what I do??? Where's my track? Eventually I found it, next to the source track.

              I gave it the score for Daedalus In Danger (as the free version won't accept long tracks) and chose Blues (as you do). I will say that the results were way less brutal than the online bot things. Yes there was some change and maybe not what I would have done (remember I chose Blues for an electronic score which is perhaps not expected) but overall they enhanced detail instead of just bludgeoning it with a deep curve.

              So on one pass, I will say, no the auto process can't exactly decide how to treat your material based on any intelligence (seeing AI does not exist so it can't wonder how to render the tender moment when Aunt Sally gets eaten by aliens) but if you understand both your material and the target you choose, it is not terrible at all.

              By the time you get into paying and finessing the results, I again wonder if you would not be better off working with someone skilled or using the skills you already have.

              :-)
              Benedict Roff-Marsh
              Bandcamp:
              https://benedictroff-marsh.bandcamp.com/
              YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/BenedictRoffMarsh/videos

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              • #8
                This won't uninstall. Take care...
                Benedict Roff-Marsh
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                https://benedictroff-marsh.bandcamp.com/
                YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/BenedictRoffMarsh/videos

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                • #9
                  IMHO the AAMS system its a brilliant piece of software, also very good for learn and comprehend how some things works. . I think the final results from AAMS are musical content oriented than loudness oriented as online services. Its very subtle and I like that. The full version seems to be interesting.

                  https://soundcloud.com/crepuscular

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                  • #10
                    After trying AAMS, I figured I might as well try exactly what I said above about importing the profile of Alan Parsons "Eye In The Sky" (an mp3) into Tokyo Dawn Labs Slik EQ Gentlemans Edition and applying that to the first file I showed above - the one I tried the Soundcloud Mastering on and see how I felt about that.

                    I will say that I was pleasantly surprised. The EQ re-jig was very pleasing. It didn't make my track sound like Eye In The Sky but it did re-balance a lot of the content very nicely.

                    This is a thing worth investigating a bit more.

                    :-)
                    Benedict Roff-Marsh
                    Bandcamp:
                    https://benedictroff-marsh.bandcamp.com/
                    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/BenedictRoffMarsh/videos

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by crepuscular View Post
                      Has anyone tried it?
                      Definitely not, no, I am totally happy with my own processing.

                      I may not post anything useful, but at least I do it often

                      Latest release - Anomaly available on Bandcamp


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