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  • #16
    Originally posted by synkrotron View Post

    As long as I can play the white notes I'll be okay
    Year you can..432hz A is popular alt tuning.
    Last edited by mux; 07-10-2017, 12:07 AM.
    Yello - The Eye
    https://youtu.be/XAWFWYjx38Q

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    • #17
      I think a useable step sequencer is worthwhile too as well as practising keys.
      Yello - The Eye
      https://youtu.be/XAWFWYjx38Q

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      • #18
        Originally posted by mux View Post
        I think a useable step sequencer is worthwhile too as well as practising keys.
        I have a few options there... Sonar has a great step sequencer. I also have a BeatStep Pro and a joint ownership of a Intilijel Metropolis
        https://soundcloud.com/synkrotron

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        • #19
          Originally posted by synkrotron View Post

          I have a few options there... Sonar has a great step sequencer. I also have a BeatStep Pro and a joint ownership of a Intilijel Metropolis
          Thats cool; i got three but one of them Hex i just use as a bridge between things with a UM-One usb/din connector.

          My two Roland seqs: the mc 80 is full on but a bit tiring to work with. I have a roland pma5 thats less specd but quite productive to work with. Its touch screen. What i can do though and is on my to do list next is dump from the pma5 onto the mc80. Ill see how that goes.
          Yello - The Eye
          https://youtu.be/XAWFWYjx38Q

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          • #20
            I took music theory in college and never regretted it. Most of the time, they were attaching names to what I had intuitively sussed out on my own, providing the nuts and bolts on how things worked in Classical music. Most Rock, Folk, Country, etc. are based on the basic rules/norms of western music so it applies to what we do.

            When tonality is used, lots of ambient music is based around a single chord, often a minor chord. [ A major chord would make it New Age! ;-) ] A single chord would be totally boring in most other genres but not always so in ambient. If you wish to incorporate a chord progression into your ambient compositions, here's a thought. Take a simple three (or four) chord song (almost anything from early Rock'n'Roll). Make it a song that has a chord progression that you like... and then use it. But just use the order in which the chords appear. Stretch out the amount of time you spend on a chord that is suitable to ambient music and write your own melody over the chords.

            The chords you'll have will probably be tonic, dominant, subdominant, and possibly the submediant chords of whatever scale/key you choose. In other terms, you'd be using the chords based on the 1st, 5th, 4th, and 6th notes of the scale, respectively. I purposely went out of order for musical reasons I could cover in some other post.

            For example: In the key of C, where the scales notes are C, D, E, F, G, A, B, and, of course C: Chords would be 1=C, 5=G. 4=F, 6=Am. Now transpose this into some other keys to learn the relationships.
            Another example: In the key of Dm: 1 = Dm, 5=Am, 4=Gm, 6=Bb. Now transpose this into some other keys to learn the relationships.

            Mess about with this and have fun!

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            • #21
              Thanks for the tips and stuff BillFox_RadioHost

              I've thought of using a rock track, before now, and dragging the chord length out somewhat.

              My current project is a thirty minute long piece for a "Sleep Aid" collection and I wanted to use a series of chords, instead of just my usual drone and, therefore, one chord, with a melody over the top. The chords run for 16 bars, so, in reality, I don't think they will be perceived as a progression, in the traditional sense.

              So, for the time, being, as simple as it sounds, I have used the website that I posted above just to give me an almost random series of chords to stretch out over the thirty minutes.


              cheers, and thanks again,

              andy
              https://soundcloud.com/synkrotron

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              • #22
                Y'know andy, I really don't think you should be so humble (I do however understand the desire to improve) - I've listened to a fair bit of your music and I think it's impressively good. I certainly don't think your perceived lack of knowledge of music theory is having much of a detrimental effect on your creativity. There's some excellent stuff in your catalogue, so however you're doing it, keep going!
                https://soundcloud.com/ynotb
                https://ynotb.bandcamp.com/
                http://ynotb.weebly.com/
                https://ynotbmusic.tumblr.com/

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by mux View Post
                  432hz A is popular alt tuning.
                  Hi Mux. I use a different nomenclature for that. 432Hz vs. the more common A=440Hz is called a pitch reference according to my understanding. Alternate tuning would be using Just Intonation instead of the more common Equal Tempered scale. YMMV...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by YnotB View Post
                    Y'know andy, I really don't think you should be so humble (I do however understand the desire to improve) - I've listened to a fair bit of your music and I think it's impressively good. I certainly don't think your perceived lack of knowledge of music theory is having much of a detrimental effect on your creativity. There's some excellent stuff in your catalogue, so however you're doing it, keep going!
                    Ha! Thanks Tony

                    I guess I know enough to do what I like doing, but, yeah, I wish I was better at being able to pick up an instrument and not have to think about what fits, if you know what I mean. Most of my improvisations are okay, because, like most of us, I know what sounds okay, and if I hit a duff note, we just rub it out and start again haha

                    Cheers, and thanks for digging down to the bottom of my SoundCloud page (which reminds me, I need to add a signature to my profile...)

                    andy
                    https://soundcloud.com/synkrotron

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BillFox_RadioHost View Post
                      Hi Mux. I use a different nomenclature for that. 432Hz vs. the more common A=440Hz is called a pitch reference according to my understanding. Alternate tuning would be using Just Intonation instead of the more common Equal Tempered scale. YMMV...
                      Ok .. i'm sure you are correct Bill, i just tried to find a term for detuning an A at 440hz.
                      Yello - The Eye
                      https://youtu.be/XAWFWYjx38Q

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by synkrotron View Post

                        (which reminds me, I need to add a signature to my profile...)

                        andy
                        Yeah, we used to have that. Can't see how to do it in this new forum

                        https://soundcloud.com/ynotb
                        https://ynotb.bandcamp.com/
                        http://ynotb.weebly.com/
                        https://ynotbmusic.tumblr.com/

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by YnotB View Post
                          Can't see how to do it in this new forum
                          Same here... Gave up in the end.

                          Might be worth asking the Site Bosses
                          https://soundcloud.com/synkrotron

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                          • #28
                            Both of your signatures are visible to me.

                            Perhaps a setting in your preferences; under user settings: account. https://www.ambientonline.org/settings/account

                            Scroll past password, etc., to about halfway down the page under Conversation Detail Options: Visible Post Elements.

                            Make sure Show Signatures is checked.

                            ...apologies for the OT
                            Last edited by aoVI; 07-17-2017, 11:47 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Thanks Mr aoVI
                              https://soundcloud.com/synkrotron

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                              • #30
                                Started college with the plan of becoming a high school music teacher - realized after a year it was sucking the joy out of music for me and stuck it out a little longer just in case I was wrong... switched to becoming a history teacher - then got a full time job, got married, quit playing in the bar band, and moved on. Took me a few more years in night classes to complete that 2 year college Associates degree. Ended up in IT almost immediately due to having a knack for that kind of thinking.

                                But back to the topic... music theory classes are what killed it for me. Breaking the beauty of music down to mathematical equations didn't work for me. Learning the rules are wonderful - so you know what rules you're breaking. Or playing solely by ear is wonderful. Or puttering around until you find the right notes. Or just going by feel and not worrying about it. Or having a solid background in theory and working on every progression and resolution. It's all good - it's all great to me.

                                I had a classical piano teacher rail on me every class because I wasted time with playing piano in the jazz band. I took the classes on how to be a better piano teacher and wow that bothered me sometimes on how stifling the teacher wanted us to be to our students. It all depends on the teachers of course.

                                SO... point is - there's no right way, there's no wrong way. It's what feels right to you. Learn as much as you can - that always helps - just keep an open mind. Listening is the single biggest thing I've told everyone who's ever asked me for advice. LIsten to everything. All types of music, listen to nature, listen to the sounds in cities. Listen to everything. It's all music. All of that experience listening will help you tremendously when writing your own music. Having the technical chops is very very helpful - no matter what your instrument (acoustic, electric, sound sculpting, studio as an instrument, etc) - because you can more easily realize the sounds in your head - but you don't truly need to be great at your instrument - how you feel and how you make people feel is infinitely more important.

                                I know I can sound like an ass. Hopefully I didn't come across that way too bad.

                                John


                                p.s. I don't regret taking all the music classes in community college... I learned a ton! And I've used that knowledge in various ways throughout life. However, it (along with gigging) also taught me a wonderful lesson ... music needed to be my hobby, not my job.
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