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  • #31
    Ambient Mechanics Thanks, downloaded the demo and had a brief session and it sounds good. Not sure I was using it properly but certainly did the upward thing (almost like taking a microscope to the quiet bits, ambient fun for sure )

    Originally posted by annode View Post
    This looks pretty good. Wouldn't give me the manual dload `cause I'm not registered maybe...shame.
    I'd run the demo but like most new plugs they don't run on WinXP. I'm stuck in the dark ages because I can't afford to upgrade my hardware.
    That's criminal, most plugs should have no issue with XP technically, just the installers... And nothing wrong with XP, darn stable OS imho, if it wasn't for NI dropping support (and me being a slave to Reaktor) I may still be there...


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    • #32
      Found some (free!) options:


      Sonic Anomaly VOLA2: Has Push Down and Push Up controls, sounds interesting though not sure I really got it, there isn't an explicit threshold control so... I need to work on that one some more.

      vola.jpg

      http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins (scroll down)




      TOKYO DAWN LABS Kotelnikov: Already had this installed... But, actually reading the manual, it transpires using the Dry Gain you can do upwards and NY style compression. Not sure if this is pure upwards compression like we've been discussing but certainly what a lot of people seem to mean when they talk about it.

      s04-1.png

      http://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-kotelnikov/






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      • #33
        Originally posted by GaryG View Post
        Found some (free!) options:


        Sonic Anomaly VOLA2: Has Push Down and Push Up controls, sounds interesting though not sure I really got it, there isn't an explicit threshold control so... I need to work on that one some more.

        vola.jpg

        http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins (scroll down)




        TOKYO DAWN LABS Kotelnikov: Already had this installed... But, actually reading the manual, it transpires using the Dry Gain you can do upwards and NY style compression. Not sure if this is pure upwards compression like we've been discussing but certainly what a lot of people seem to mean when they talk about it.

        s04-1.png

        http://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-kotelnikov/






        Time to learn the tools and not think everything has to have a one knob solution.
        Manuals, uh? Who would have thought? I honestly didn't know that Kotelnikov could do that!

        As for Sonic Anomaly VOLA2..nice find..I'll certainly grab this and have a play around with it. I like the clean interface and slider approach..very neat.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Ambient Mechanics View Post

          Manuals, uh? Who would have thought? I honestly didn't know that Kotelnikov could do that!

          As for Sonic Anomaly VOLA2..nice find..I'll certainly grab this and have a play around with it. I like the clean interface and slider approach..very neat.
          Re: Kotelnikov, I guess it's more like a traditional studio device in that it doesn't have any dumbed down software shortcuts as other plugs may, it has everything you need but relies on your knowlede to get the best out of it.

          I like the Sonic Anomaly stuff generally. I believe they all started of as Reaper JSFX (Reapers own internally audio scripting language) but were then given proper GUIs and then ported to VST format too. I use the Leet delay a fair bit. Not sure why, pretty standard delay really, just hangs together nicely, does what it does.
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          • #35
            Wow..there's some really interesting plugins listed there on that Sonic Anomaly..and it would be great if they work as well as they're meant to..not implying they won't or anything like that..just saying.

            I already have their Bass Professor Mark II, not sure if a Manual came with it or not..I obviously didn't read it if one did..but I could never seem to master it. Granted, I only had a cursory play with it to check it out, but I never spent any amount of serious time messing about with is..so I guess I owe it another look.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by GaryG View Post

              Re: Kotelnikov, I guess it's more like a traditional studio device in that it doesn't have any dumbed down software shortcuts as other plugs may, it has everything you need but relies on your knowlede to get the best out of it.
              Are you implying I don't my way around a compressor?


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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ambient Mechanics View Post

                Are you implying I don't my way around a compressor?


                ..YOU COULD BE RIGHT!


                I think it was more of a self-directed, rhetorical kind of statement...

                Though I am quite knowledgeable in the ways of a compressor, often watched workman digging the road up while stuck in traffic.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by GaryG View Post



                  I think it was more of a self-directed, rhetorical kind of statement...

                  Though I am quite knowledgeable in the ways of a compressor, often watched workman digging the road up while stuck in traffic.

                  ;)

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                  • #39
                    Had a look at that Kotelnikov Mastering Compressor manual.
                    I appears to claim by using the wet/dry mix, you can add dry into the wet...and they assume you might route an upwards compressor into the dry side...this is a major stupid thing to imply. It has no ability to do upwards comp. Even to imply such a thing is deceptive for some ppl.

                    Oh, forgot to say...the Vola 2 looks interesting. Hope it installs on WinXP.
                    This appears to do both up and down simultaneously...but without many of the fine tune parameters the other would have.
                    Last edited by annode; 02-24-2018, 10:42 AM.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by annode View Post
                      Had a look at that Kotelnikov Mastering Compressor manual.
                      I appears to claim by using the wet/dry mix, you can add dry into the wet...and they assume you might route an upwards compressor into the dry side...this is a major stupid thing to imply. It has no ability to do upwards comp. Even to imply such a thing is deceptive for some ppl.
                      Thanks for confirming. While researching this I've seen plenty of people mention using parallel techniques to achieve upward compression (like here I guess) but none seemed to achieve what I can hear in OTT.

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                      • #41
                        Another moment of learning this morning, automation. Like so many recording platforms automation is in Cubasis. So easy to draw in a frequency drop, or similar, as your moving through the track. That can reduce individual peaks and stop them taking over at any one point but maintain the dynamics of a piece.
                        Last edited by BassBus; 03-11-2018, 06:00 AM.
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                        • #42
                          I love automation!
                          I had a play with the above mentioned up /down compressor leveler (Sonic Anomaly VOLA2)
                          The upwards pull up does work well. I was trying it with pads. I needed to adjust it for different pad sounds.
                          I recommend it.
                          vola.jpg

                          'Sonic Anomaly' also have a free transient plugin called Transpire that looks like it might be useful for varying guitar attack .
                          http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins
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