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    One of my friends on ambientonline.org made a suggestion to do a track that uses several instances of Node-E, a Reaktor ensemble for creating generative music, with each instance applied to only 3 notes, and in a microtonal scale. Each instance would be timed differently so that depending on the timing, some notes might play at the same time and create a chord.

    This track uses 6 instances of Node-E, as follows:

    1. Node-E attached to Poly Odyssey- Sonar effected by DragonFly Hall reverb
    2. Node-E attached to Poly Odyssey- Sexy Boy
    3. Node-E attached to Acid Bee w Stereo Delay and effected by DragonFly Hall reverb
    4. Node-E attached to Poly Odyssey- Pipe effected by N.I. Replika
    5. Node-E attached to Neo- Brass Fifths effected by DragonFly Hall reverb
    6. Node-E attached to Poly Odyssey- Metal Rhythm with Space Master Stereo reverb/delay

    Composed in Ableton Live 10 and routed through Roland SP-404 SX reverb module to TASCAM DP-24 SD digital recorder.

    annode this is my attempt to come up with a track that fits the parameters. Admittedly this fails, but I had fun making it.

    But, because I can't 'leave well enough alone', I also did a mix where I included 3 tracks of piano, one sampled, looped, and reversed in the Roland SP-404 SX, and effected with reverb and delay.

    Last edited by Sonic Bodhi; 08-04-2019, 11:30 AM.
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  • #2
    This is not at all what I was expecting. I guess no matter what tools a person uses, their still going to build that same house.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by annode View Post
      This is not at all what I was expecting. I guess no matter what tools a person uses, their still going to build that same house.
      Ha ha.. except 'their' is different than 'they're'..

      FYI, I do music to please me, not anyone else...
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      • #4
        What would you have me say then?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by annode View Post
          What would you have me say then?
          I think it's more a matter of 'what would you have me do?' Everyone has a different approach to music, as well as life, and I have no quarrel with that. All I'm saying is, if you sit in the judge's seat, don't be too surprised when you get back what you dish out. That's not a condemnation, but it is pretty much a rule of life. I'm sure you're well aware of that..

          BTW when you get where you can install Nod-E, you'll probably find there isn't really a setting for microtonal scale, so I did the best that I could under the circumstances. Yes, some of the instances are soundscape rather than tonal, but that is part of what ambient is, is it not? IDK, what were you expecting? Traditional instrumentation?
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          • #6
            Let me express it like this...what did you gain from using 6 NOD-E units? This is sort of my disappointment. You produced what sounds like to me like an avant-garde / experimental trk.
            I thought we were discussing ambient music and how many NOD-E units could be used to create a more living, moving, possibly evolving piece of ambient music. Using these units like a running program that doesn;t sound like just a novelty of 1 or 2 random generators running.
            I don't hear anything really that says this has some program intelligence to it. I was expecting something more like an Eno installation sort of thing. Something with harmony and motion.
            I not trying to put you down, I was just expecting to hear something other then this, and something showcasing what one could get from 8 programmed generators.
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            • #7
              Oh, I see.. I left out two generators.. I also didn't follow the 'ambient' program... LoL.. well, maybe I'll try again later.

              I would ask finally if you have heard Brian Eno and David Byrne's 'My Life In the Bush of Ghosts', and tell me that's not experimental or avant-garde. There is also the 2006 re-mix with 7 added tracks.
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              • #8
                I made you upset. I don't want you to be upset about all this.
                You did what you did. I was just expecting it to go in a different direction because of the ideas set forth. To design some intelligence into the whole system is not something I expect to happen overnight. Multiple NOD-E generators in my mind only, I believe can be made to act like an interactive system. I would really like to hear this sort of thing achieved.
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                • #9
                  annode it's fine, I overreacted a bit, and my apologies for that. I should be used to the bluntness of your responses by now, and thought I was immune to it, but apparently not, LoL. I need to work on that. I will give this some more serious consideration, and re-think the project. I will have to see what I can do to coax Node-E into a microtonal scale, but it's really not in the options of the generator. There is an option to change the tempo of the looping, but you have to do it in a certain way, or it doesn't affect the speed of the looping. I will probably need to consult with the Nod-E 'experts' on here to get some more clues as to how to maneuver the ensemble into doing what is expected of it. I will get back to you later on this. Cheers.
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                  • #10
                    I don't blame you for reacting to my blunt "build that same house" statement. I guess that's what started this. The trk displayed one of your styles typical for you. But not what I was expecting to hear considering the use of 6 NOD-Es. That's what I was trying to say in a single thought. I'm glad you are able to laugh about that now.

                    I wouldn't worry about the microtonal possibilities. I see that as a minor expression. The NOD-E variables like the speed of each of the string of boxes, the position of each box and how one generators trigger boxes are staggered from the other generators are important variables. If they are all running slowly enough, and considering how many triggers are sounding at any given time, I believe it can be made to run like a system over a long length of time. At times,2 sounds will trigger together or overlapping, and other times they don't. But at other times 3 sounds will overlap...and so on. These sounds can be designed as tones within a harmonic spectrum. When they randomly sound together different chords will be created. Sounds(tones) can also be set to sound as melody sequences, and they could be arranged to reassemble themselves over a length of time.

                    These are not meant to be instructions set into stone, but my ideas thinking out loud. Sorry I don't know the actual correct words to describe these NOD-E variables.
                    Last edited by annode; 08-03-2019, 07:39 PM.
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                    • #11
                      An interesting study, Avery.

                      Title fits well

                      Not so sure about the microtonal thing. I guess I just don't get it. But that doesn't spoil the enjoyment
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                      • #12
                        One of my friends on ambientonline.org challenged me to come up with a track that uses several instances of Node-E,
                        I never challenged you to do this Avery, you picked up my thoughts on this and ran with it yourself. There was no challenge. Right?
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                        • #13
                          synkrotron Thank you! I'm not really so sure how it works either, but the closest I've found in the settings is the chromatic, or maybe the whole tone setting. You can also set the key.

                          annode You're right. You didn't challenge me- you made a suggestion, and I challenged myself to do it. Should have been more specific when I said that. No worries! I am working on another piece, but I'm afraid it probably fails the parameters as well, so I may not post it as that. It's all a learning process.

                          EDIT: I went back and fixed the text in the post to reflect this, taking out the word 'challenge' where it appears, and replacing it with 'suggestion'.
                          Last edited by Sonic Bodhi; 08-04-2019, 11:31 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sonic Bodhi View Post
                            synkrotron Thank you! I'm not really so sure how it works either, but the closest I've found in the settings is the chromatic, or maybe the whole tone setting. You can also set the key.

                            annode You're right. You didn't challenge me- you made a suggestion, and I challenged myself to do it. Should have been more specific when I said that. No worries! I am working on another piece, but I'm afraid it probably fails the parameters as well, so I may not post it as that. It's all a learning process.
                            At the Scala site he posted a list of VSTi synths and so on that could import .tun files...the scales. Did you notice anything written about importing into NOD-E ?
                            Like I wrote when you took on the self-challenge project, whatever you decide to do or not do is OK with me.(that similar sentiment) I do hope you do more experimenting with them since I don't have the means to do it myself.
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                            • #15
                              EDIT - It just occurred to me that if one wanted to use different scale temperaments he would only need to import the scala .tun file into the VSTi instrument. (look at scala list)
                              These scales would repitch those notes in the 12 tone octave. For microtunings I think in cases when there are more or less then 12 tones per octave a note generator like a midi seqr would need to send the new midi pitches to the receptive synth. Those synth that are scaled continuous. (talks about those at the scala site.) Consider a microtuning of 17 tones per octave. As for why use that...that's another talk.
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