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  • #16
    Thanks for your help Andy, much appreciated.And thanks for the good music review on it too.
    Last time this was posted I used T-Racks 2 to master it, but I made it too loud and it sounded that way.
    This time I used Ozone 6 with a preset that included dynamic/EQ enhancement and as you can tell, it sounds pretty good.
    The only thing I didn't notice was it's volume level. It was louder then the original so I was happy with it and off it goes to SC. (I don't have internet on my music room PC so there is no easy level comparisons to others work)

    Anyway, here's what I'm fixing to do. I will surely look into the loudness scales.
    I recently purchased the Steve Roach-Jorge Reyes "Vines,Bark & Spore"(was on sale). First let me say, if you haven't heard it you HAVE TO HEAR THIS!!! It's ethno-tribal ambient. Every track is excellent. It is a master piece and I love listening to it. Now back to mastering. This "Projekt" Roach release is mastered perfectly IMO.There is percussion with long pads and just long ethereal soundscapes and the levels are always right there. I never have to fuss with my hi-fi system volume from track to track and it is still at a level I would use for most music. Now compare this recording with any mastered by Howard Givens at "Spotted Peccary". The levels Givens ends up with are way too quiet IMO. On the Givens masters the only sound that will come up to -3db or louder are sharp high pitched percussive sounds at their loudest. Everything else always sits pretty far down. Who know why he does it...I don't like it.

    So now that I have a good reference source, "Vine,Bark & Spore" I should be able to sort this whole mastering level thing out.
    I'll bring the levels up to match this Roach record and re-post.

    synkrotron - One thing about compression and ambient music...it's not just for compressing the peaks, I will use it often to bring up the floor only. This enhances the reverb and smooths out the background.
    Last edited by annode; 11-07-2017, 11:08 AM.
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    • #17
      Ah, yes, I got the email about the latest Roach release. I will have to check that out. I do have another of his so I will open a few of those tracks in Sound Forge. I find it helps to look at the wave forms as well as listening.

      I opened your piece and also TDP's latest piece and it certainly looks to me like I am mixing too high, by comparison.

      All interesting stuff!
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      • #18
        Here's a link to the download page for the free 'dpMeter II' plugin that I use for checking the LUFS level.
        Set the Mode setting to 'EBU' to measure loudness in LUFS.
        The 'Integrated Loudness' LUFS reading is the averaged LUFS reading over a period of time.
        This is the LUFS reading that is of most use. My tune 'Harmonic Interference' averaged around -18 LUFS
        in the first half of the tune, and gradually climbed up to -17 LUFS (Integrated Loudness reading) by the end of the second half of the tune.
        http://www.tb-software.com/TBProAudio/dpmeter2.html
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        Last edited by TDP; 11-07-2017, 02:12 PM.
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        • #19
          Thanks, TDP

          Could you post this again over in the "A question of loudness" topic, as I think this is valuable information that will only get lost as Barry's song topic disappears from page 1 here.

          Cheers, and thanks,

          andy
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          • #20
            Yes, the volume level on this is much better now.. Also, for the sake of mastering, I sometimes use a loudness matching filter which is designed for the LUFS system. If the final product does not distort my iPad Pro speakers at their loudest setting, then I know I've succeeded in getting the right level. A lot of the tracks in here that probably sound great on expensive studio monitors, are mixed a bit too loud, in my opinion, and so I have to turn down my speakers, which sometimes (but not always) fixes it. Any way, took a second listen to this, and it's a really good piece!
            "All we have to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to us" - Gandalf, Lord Of The Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien

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            • #21
              Thanks for the link TDP. This is clearly no simple undertaking.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sonic Bodhi View Post
                Yes, the volume level on this is much better now.. Also, for the sake of mastering, I sometimes use a loudness matching filter which is designed for the LUFS system. If the final product does not distort my iPad Pro speakers at their loudest setting, then I know I've succeeded in getting the right level. A lot of the tracks in here that probably sound great on expensive studio monitors, are mixed a bit too loud, in my opinion, and so I have to turn down my speakers, which sometimes (but not always) fixes it. Any way, took a second listen to this, and it's a really good piece!
                Thank you Sonic Bodhi.
                I did see the TB Pro Audio DP Meter filter curve choices. I only happen to understand them because my hand held decibel meter has this too.
                I know practically zip about metering schemes...and these meters look like they will have a steep learning curve in order to understand what I want and what I'm doing. haha
                I have a technical background so I'll figure it out. ;) The docs that come with each PB Pro meter only sort out some of the controls and such...not cool if you know practically nothing to begin with.

                I'm sure Ozone 6 has some sort of loudness meter I can use.
                The beginning of this track I'll imagine is about max loudness for this sort of stuff, and the rest falls into the quiet range. That may be fine, or maybe it can come up some.
                The contrast I believe may be too wide.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TDP View Post
                  Here's a link to the download page for the free 'dpMeter II' plugin that I use for checking the LUFS level.
                  Set the Mode setting to 'EBU' to measure loudness in LUFS.
                  The 'Integrated Loudness' LUFS reading is the averaged LUFS reading over a period of time.
                  This is the LUFS reading that is of most use. My tune 'Harmonic Interference' averaged around -18 LUFS
                  in the first half of the tune, and gradually climbed up to -17 LUFS (Integrated Loudness reading) by the end of the second half of the tune.
                  http://www.tb-software.com/TBProAudio/dpmeter2.html
                  TDP I got the same result using my Klangfreund LUFS meter: -18 LUFS and gradually shifting to -17.
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