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    Hey everyone, I've been conspicuous by my absence of late. Struggling with...heck, just struggling Anyhow, I've finally got my s**t together sufficiently to get an ablbum of new material finished and released. Two of the tracks "Fire" and "Wind" can be found on the latest AO compilation, although "Wind" has been renamed "Air" and is much looooooongerrrr.
    Here's a link to the Bandcamp page, it's free to download:
    My new album is available now, here: https://thoughtexperiment.bandcamp.com/album/elements
    Check out my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/thought_experiment

  • #2
    I'll try to give this the once-over at the weekend, Mike. I'm listening to "Fire" now. Is that a trumpet?
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    • #3
      Right off the bat, I can tell this is an excellent collection- everything from the production values to the voices you used- I will be downloading this collection a bit later for repeated listening.. I love everything about it!
      "I would rather be happy than to always be 'right'."

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      • #4
        Hey Tim, hope you like it Believe it or not, that trumpet is a Zebra preset (most of the sounds on the album are courtesy of Zebra, and you'll probably recognize some Chromaphone noises too). That sound was one of those 'happy accidents'; I found it when flicking through the presets, looking for a nice 'lead' sound, when all of a sudden Miles was in the room...
        My new album is available now, here: https://thoughtexperiment.bandcamp.com/album/elements
        Check out my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/thought_experiment

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sonic Bodhi View Post
          Right off the bat, I can tell this is an excellent collection- everything from the production values to the voices you used- I will be downloading this collection a bit later for repeated listening.. I love everything about it!
          Glad you like it, and thanks very much for the kind words
          My new album is available now, here: https://thoughtexperiment.bandcamp.com/album/elements
          Check out my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/thought_experiment

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          • #6
            Hi Mike, I listened to the entire album yesterday and...it's wonderful!!! I thoroughly enjoyed every minute

            I've been meaning to drop you a line to tell you the 'Wind' is one of my absolute favorite tracks from the AO9 compilation album.

            Cheers
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            — Claude Debussy

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            • #7
              Originally posted by windspace View Post
              Hi Mike, I listened to the entire album yesterday and...it's wonderful!!! I thoroughly enjoyed every minute

              I've been meaning to drop you a line to tell you the 'Wind' is one of my absolute favorite tracks from the AO9 compilation album.

              Cheers
              Thanks Bruce, that means a lot. Glad you liked my track - hope I didn't screw up the album version
              My new album is available now, here: https://thoughtexperiment.bandcamp.com/album/elements
              Check out my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/thought_experiment

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              • #8
                I said I'd listen to it at the weekend, but I didn't specify exactly which weekend. Ha.

                I think my favourite track is "Air" but it's a close thing really. I've been listening to this tonight with the lights on, but I think it will be even better heard in the dark without distraction.

                Good work
                Whatsisname's Little Fluffy Clouds | Campsite | Hearthis | Orfium | SeismicTC | Twitter | Ello

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                • #9
                  Thanks Tim, glad you like it. We're on hols this week on the Isle of Wight , I'll be in touch when we get back☺
                  My new album is available now, here: https://thoughtexperiment.bandcamp.com/album/elements
                  Check out my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/thought_experiment

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                  • #10
                    I first thought...this sounds and reminds me of the Rich / Roach CD - 'Soma'. Then I kept listening. I noticed there was no real musical direction or sense of place. Rather it was just random movement. I read your description to see you used Noatikl generative music software. I like Noatiki and tried a demo once, so I know what it is. It's a cool tool but I wouldn't think of creating full productions just from what it spits out.
                    For me, I can't make this work, it's all too generative and I need human musical ideas and heart. For me, no matter how it sounds(synths, production) I want human direction and this just sounds random.
                    I didn't come into your post to bash it, I read your intentions for it to just be relaxing music. That clearly works for all the replies above, but I have to debate whether it's really music.

                    http://www.hulu.com/embed.html?eid=o...pevszd6wbtvxvw
                    Wait for the vid to start after countdown
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                    • #11
                      Well you're entitled to your opinion. I will say that I didn't just use what Noatikl spat out. There was a lot of midi editing and arrangement before the mixing stage. I'm not going to get into the "is it really" music debate because it's a)old old old and b)really old. It works for me, I wouldn't have released it otherwise. I dont care if it doesn't work for you. If I don't like something i just refrain from commenting. Just my opinion
                      My new album is available now, here: https://thoughtexperiment.bandcamp.com/album/elements
                      Check out my SoundCloud page: https://soundcloud.com/thought_experiment

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                      • #12
                        It sounds very pleasant and well produced. It does indeed remind of the Robert Rich and Steve Roach album. Well done!

                        annode You have some interesting points of view... Why do you think music needs to have direction? I for one think that one of the quintessential features of ambient is that it doesn't need to have that kind of drive.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ablaut View Post
                          It sounds very pleasant and well produced. It does indeed remind of the Robert Rich and Steve Roach album. Well done!

                          annode You have some interesting points of view... Why do you think music needs to have direction? I for one think that one of the quintessential features of ambient is that it doesn't need to have that kind of drive.
                          I can understand your point and it is a valid one. I wish I had a stronger music theory and harmony education so I could talk about it with more clarity, but I don't.
                          I guess I can say it like this...if you plan to make something with a particular musical form, in order for it to fly right there are guide lines to follow so the Western mind can make familiar sense of it. You can assemble a group of structures in a random way for some forms of music but it does't fly for others. Who says it works or doesn't can be a matter of taste or maybe something else entirely...but for the most part, music works when it is approached in ways that are tried and true no matter what it is.

                          I listened to a couple of tracks again this morn. There is really no rhyme or reason to this 'music'. Like in the video above that I posted..."That just happened".
                          EDIT - Oh and...it reminded us of the Rich/Roach Soma track(one in particular) because there was enough similar organized melodic structure in order for us to process the similarities. I would guess this is not random.
                          Last edited by annode; 08-15-2018, 10:04 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by annode View Post
                            I can understand your point and it is a valid one. I wish I had a stronger music theory and harmony education so I could talk about it with more clarity, but I don't.
                            I guess I can say it like this...if you plan to make something with a particular musical form, in order for it to fly right there are guide lines to follow so the Western mind can make familiar sense of it.
                            I did a year of musicology in uni, so I think I have a decent understanding of it. And what you're hinting at here is not how music theory works, or at least it is an outdated understanding of it. Music theory is descriptive, not prescriptive. It describes an inner logic to the things we perceive as good music. But that doesn't preclude music from being good that breaks the rules. Actually, very often it is the music that breaks the rules, that does the unexpected, that is perceived as good music.

                            Once upon a time, distortion would have been seen as breaking a rule of making good music. But it became the basis for hard-rock and heavy metal.

                            And of course, all of 20th century avant-garde music was breaking the rules. John Cage and La Monte Young were revolutionary in changing our understanding of music. Music without rhyme or reason, music without direction, those are hallmarks of their style.

                            Originally posted by annode View Post
                            You can assemble a group of structures in a random way for some forms of music but it does't fly for others. Who says it works or doesn't can be a matter of taste or maybe something else entirely...but for the most part, music works when it is approached in ways that are tried and true no matter what it is.
                            What works or doesn't is, in my opinion, largely a matter of taste. I don't "get" rap or four-on-the-floor beats, and they instantly turn me off, but they sell like hot cakes. Others may not consider didgeridoo drones music, but it is undeniably part of some people's musical culture.

                            I think we should be very careful in labeling anything "not music" as long as there are people who enjoy listening to it. I would just say "it doesn't work for me" instead.

                            Originally posted by annode View Post
                            EDIT - Oh and...it reminded us of the Rich/Roach Soma track(one in particular) because there was enough similar organized melodic structure in order for us to process the similarities. I would guess this is not random.
                            For me the similarity is in the sound design. I don't really pay attention to melodic structure in ambient music.

                            I think the description of ambient music in Wikipedia is pretty good and reflects my personal understanding of it:

                            Ambient music is a genre of music that puts an emphasis on tone and atmosphere over traditional musical structure or rhythm. A form of slow instrumental music, it uses repetitive, but gentle, soothing sound patterns that can be described as sonic wallpaper to complement or alter one’s space and to generate a sense of calmness. Intended to relax, the genre is said to evoke an "atmospheric", "visual", or "unobtrusive" quality.

                            Ambient music focuses on creating a mood or atmosphere through synthesizers and timbral qualities, often lacking the presence of any net composition, beat, or structured melody. It uses textural layers of sound without prevalent musical tropes, rewarding both passive and active listening. Nature soundscapes are usually included, and the sounds of acoustic instruments such as the piano, strings and flute, among others, may be emulated through a synthesizer. According to Brian Eno, one of its pioneers, "Ambient music must be able to accommodate many levels of listening attention without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting."
                            So for me, the atmosphere, the sonic textures, and the timbral qualities are of prime importance in ambient. I don't really listen for structure, and I often hardly notice it even when it's there. Unless the structure, rhythm (beat), or melody are so front-stage that they draw prime attention. And then I find that usually breaks the mood. It is like a different way of listening. Which is also why I'm personally very adamant that a beat makes a piece "not ambient". It takes me out of the more contemplative mood I'm in when I listen to ambient music. (And it's not a value judgment. It is just a different kind of music, requiring a different way of listening. And I realize this is a personal thing.)

                            Generative music fits perfectly in this, as then the musician's focus is on the sound design, on exploring the sonic textures, on creating an atmosphere. And happy accidents can inspire a sense of wonder as much as a well-crafted classical composition.

                            In generative music the composer is not primarily crafting melodies and harmonic progressions, but rather the rules within which randomness is allowed to be expressed. What I do when I make generative music (which I have been doing a lot of in the past three months, but which has been part of my style for much longer), is to carefully craft the constraints within which the music can move, the range of pitches I want, the range of possible modulation, and so on. And once I have created this system, I let it play, and I sit back and enjoy the emerging sounds, almost like it is a living entity.

                            I hope I'm making sense.
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                            • #15
                              When I want to walk forward I don't place my feet randomly. My movement is mostly automatic based on successful movements I know from experience, but also with conscience direction.
                              "The dumbest of people are the first to tell you."annode
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