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  • Ahornberg
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    drums in ambient music

    what are your opinions about using drums in ambient music?

    I seldom use drums, sometimes melodic toms ... the lack of harmonic and melodic possibilities lets me stay away from drums.

  • Jan Roos
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    Subtle percussion/drums; no problem. More intense percussion/drums; not ambient any more. No problem either.

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  • Spectrum
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    Thanks for the links..Will check out Loscil too as sounds like what I was trying to explain.

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  • dreamware
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    You can definitely use a good 4/4 kick as the pulse of your ambient piece. Rafael Anton Irisarri and Wolfgang Voigt are masters at this. See:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6be18GacTs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9JgW04g3c4

    Loscil is another favorite of mine. A lot of his work, while not using drums in a traditional sense, is driven by very interesting rhythmic textures and loops. Makes sense as he is a former drummer turned ambient producer.
    Last edited by dreamware; 04-17-2018, 12:17 AM.

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  • Spectrum
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    Hey Ahornberg. Extremely late to the party but thought I would comment incase anyone stumbles on this as is a great topic.

    If you are using drums to create an ambient 'percussive' element or soundscape then why not if it fits in to the project or track you are creating. I do. I had two drum loops that I played around with. Got one to sound like a heart beat and the other like a giant breathe that I looped together in one of my tracks. Don't let the lack of harmonics or melodies deter you...that's what pads synths are chords are for. Experimentation is the key as this leads to discovery. Have fun with the drums!!

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  • studio13
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    The early Ambient productions were often produced by Progressive Rockers - Brian Eno, Youth, Ben Watkins, Steve Hillage and many more. Many of their albums contain beatless soundscapes beside pure rock songs and compromises of both. Some songs have a beat, others not. And sometimes, there are also single songs with rhythmic parts and pure soundscapes in other parts.

    If you listen to The Orb or Future Sound of London, their productions are less Progressive-Rock influenced but regarding the beats, the situation is the same: Their albums are partially beatless.

    In my opinion, a well done interaction of rhythmic and beatless parts is an aspect of Ambient music. Drums may be used but shouldn't always.

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  • Toby Cortes
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    I use dubbed drums, it gives a nice vibe, u can check out my sooundcloud

    https://soundcloud.com/ambientdub/ambdub-444codigo

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  • almanacs
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    Originally posted by almanacs View Post
    IMO, when it comes to art, everything is right if you do it right.
    Personally I feel more driven into non-percs ambient music, but somtimes I like to add percs in a kind of "tempo-less" or deconstructed way, mostly soft wooden hits and toms with reverbs and filters, in order to make them feel like FX or textures instead of "beats".
    Agree on this. Poly-rythms put a beautiful sense on music. I've been using some in some tracks I'm working and I'm very excited with the results.

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  • aoVI
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    What about dropping Moby into the mix?



    Oh wait, that's still Phil Collins.

    I missed again.

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  • annode
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    Originally posted by Realm View Post
    annode so a little Phil Colins dropped into the mix is out of the question then?!
    Ha, I definitely wouldn't recommend that.
    You find 4/4 in ambient-like music, but once it's 4/4 it's likely to become chill-out style. That's more what I meant.
    I consider 'Ascendant' as Chill for example.

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  • Realm
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    annode so a little Phil Colins dropped into the mix is out of the question then?!

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  • annode
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    One ambient radio show I listen to every week (Into The Deep - WEVL) divides the show into w/beats and w/out. I like this.
    Anyway, ambient percussion does't work for me if the music needs the beat or is build around it.
    Some can work...like Latin beats or slow poly-rhythms.
    Ancient culture rhythms and percussive instruments work well. If it's happening in a cave , all the better.
    If it has an air of shamanism or other worldly places your good to go.
    4/4 is definitely out.

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  • almanacs
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    IMO, when it comes to art, everything is right if you do it right.
    Personally I feel more driven into non-percs ambient music, but somtimes I like to add percs in a kind of "tempo-less" or deconstructed way, mostly soft wooden hits and toms with reverbs and filters, in order to make them feel like FX or textures instead of "beats".

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  • Calavera Love
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    for me drums/percussion is the hardest part. I love beatless ambient, but for some reason, I dont know why, I always in the end make beats))))))))) I used to listen a lot of Loscil early works and it always amazed me how the guy can come up with such organic, evolving soundscapes without introdusing almost any beat.

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  • Grim Heka
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    I sometimes run a drum loop through an enevelope follower, then into the filter cutoff or sidechain for a bit of rhythm without using the drums themselves. Hope what I just said makes sense. lol

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