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  • #16
    Originally posted by aoVI View Post

    The Machine is my first time really using a computer to record (well, the VS880 is a dedicated computer...). The Commodore 64 saw limited use as a sequencer, the others merely encoded mp3s, burned CD copies, and were used for cover design.
    A Commodore 64 wow I do remember the ZX80/81, and the Spectrum, the BBC Micro..Acorn. The BBC M was a more 'serious' machine and the Commodore too. I had a ZX81, 1kb ram. And a thermal printer (state of the art )

    Actually there's a video old interview with JM Jarre on youtube where he's got a punch-card-programmable synth.
    Last edited by mux; 03-16-2017, 05:00 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by GaryG View Post

      I doubt it, it's only officially for Windows and Mac so you'd have to use a windows emulator like Wine with it. I gather it's the authorisation side of it that's a problem. I like the idea of Linux, especially now big names are getting involved (Tracktion, u-he etc) but will be happy for the foreseeable future to keep a windows 7 install going for the likes of Reaktor.

      I am quite keen on the hardware/rack approach - especially my rack delay which i can improvise with like an instrument, running multitracks through it onto minidisc and using mute/solo in a dub style..then record these back into audacity and create more loops etc.
      I remember doing something like this way back when, 'remixing' a friends acoustic tracks; playing the mix from a portable minidisk through a small mixer with a couple of Boss micro rack delays being punched in and out. I had a copy of Otomo yoshihides 'night before the death of the sampling virus' CD playing too, randomly bringing samples of that in (though that was mainly to piss my mate off :D) I think I'd struggle to do that now in software...

      I thought last night about how I never had a pc in the 1990s that was used for music; i had friends who had Ataris which was cool but i had synths/workstation sequencer synth, a four-track, a mixer, guitar fx pedals. But i didn't have the tools or the experience to make really good-sounding production. Now with PCs it's possible to do so much more.
      I never really did much with hardware, I think the small displays and cryptic menu systems of the time always stopped me in my tracks (not knocking it, all the early Prodigy stuff was a W30 I believe). I didn't seriously try a PC based setup till the late 90s but it wasn't until Tracktion popped up in the early 00s that I felt I had the tools to do what I wanted.
      Yea Wine is handy; I run a few things with that. You can choose which Windows environment you need without having to reboot too. Use my delay quite a bit for rhythms (in a dub style); it has hold button, LFO, bypass. So i improvise with a kind repertoire on it, then cut up rythms parts again in Audacity to create new parts.

      Was there a software called Reason? about 1999-2001 time? That was when it seemed that average spec PCs might..just.. be able to start handling the load. I don't know. IIRC lack of RAM and iffy consumer sound cards seemed a barrier.. Also the web before 4G/3G and the Web 2.0 eras - it just wasn't ready for putting stuff out there, or quickly accessing tools (especially open-source).
      Last edited by mux; 03-16-2017, 05:13 PM.
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      • #18
        Reason's still going strong (v9 now i think), I played with the demo occasionally but it didn't do it for me, dont think the closed system is for me.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by aoVI View Post
          Originally posted by mux View Post
          I thought last night about how I never had a pc in the 1990s that was used for music; i had friends who had Ataris which was cool but i had synths/workstation sequencer synth, a four-track, a mixer, guitar fx pedals. But i didn't have the tools or the experience to make really good-sounding production. Now with PCs it's possible to do so much more.
          The Machine is my first time really using a computer to record (well, the VS880 is a dedicated computer...). The Commodore 64 saw limited use as a sequencer, the others merely encoded mp3s, burned CD copies, and were used for cover design.
          I just bought an Itona C32 server 'as is', to network with my laptop. Borrowing a monitor tonight to see what can be achieved with configuring/or maybe installing a pup.
          Yello - The Eye
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          • #20
            Success!
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            • #21
              Originally posted by GaryG View Post
              Reason's still going strong (v9 now i think), I played with the demo occasionally but it didn't do it for me, dont think the closed system is for me.
              Yeah, they're on 9.2 right now - I'm still working with 3.04, because it has everything I need. At least it still works on Windows 7!
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              • #22
                Originally posted by GaryG View Post
                Oh I got the distro pretty much installed (from a Usb stick created with rufus) but grub failed to install for some reason. As I said, lubuntu worked fine... Are you running many music apps on puppy? I've only ever played with Ubuntu studio, next step was to try traktion and reaper in wine.

                I have:

                Audacity, String, Hydrogen, Aspect, Giada, Mixxx straight Linux;
                Hex, Midiox, The Viking in Wine.

                There's PupStudio with a lot of configured apps but I had sound problems, DVD problems etc and IIRC it wasn't PAE (which allows more than 4gb ram use). So I use a Slacko 5.6 PAE pup with Audacity.1.3.14.pet that contains a lot of effects (eg TAP plugins).

                I'm really only using Audacity, String (iRig controller) and Hydrogen at the moment with a Korg Triton and Roland MC80ex sounds. Hex is a microtonal sequencer from http://www.dynamictonality.com/hex.htm but i haven't used it much lately. Hardware synths going into an ESI U24 XL or M-Audio M-Track II.

                Problems though routing virtual synths through S/PDIF into Audacity - doesn't want to work. Freezes and gives an i/o error in Audacity. Anyone know how to do that?
                Last edited by mux; 03-18-2017, 09:04 PM. Reason: more
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                • #23
                  https://www.giadamusic.com/download

                  http://www.hydrogen-music.org/hcms/

                  http://mixxx.org/download/
                  Yello - The Eye
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                  • #24
                    Just seen steinberg have released an official linux version of the vst sdk, could be interesting.
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                    • #25
                      My last PC (2011) was the cheapest commodity quad core i5 desktop I could find with sufficient internal expansion capabilities for extra disk, ram. It's good for everything I have thrown at it. I looked at building one myself, but the cost saving I would have made would have been about £50 back then, and spending hours downloading microcode, firmware updates, device drivers seemed too much like the day job. I'll run this one into the ground, and maybe do the same thing again, or possibly go for one of the machines offered by Scan computers.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mux View Post
                        Problems though routing virtual synths through S/PDIF into Audacity - doesn't want to work. Freezes and gives an i/o error in Audacity. Anyone know how to do that?
                        I have sorted this now; the Dell laptop connected via ethernet to the Itona, String and maybe other some other softsynths/Hex on the Itona sending S/PDIF into the M-Track via USB, but analogue out to the Dell (into Audacity). It sounds great - no audible hiss. CPU scaling on both machines set to 'performance' rather than on-demand (fixed a stutter from the synth on the Itona). The Itona has 1GB ram installed which is a bonus as I assumed it had 512mb only, basic spec. When I've got hold of 2x2gb DDr2 DIMM, I'm thinking now about two instances of Audacity open and file-sharing the material.
                        Last edited by mux; 03-19-2017, 09:04 PM.
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                        • #27
                          How time flies.

                          I reworked the build over the last 8 months and in a card-melting frenzy, purchased all the parts over the BF/CM weekend. Most arrived today, still waiting on a couple of parts that should be here by Friday.

                          The updated parts:

                          OS: Win10/64
                          CPU: i7 8700k @3.7gHz/4.7gHz turbo hex core
                          CPU Cooler: Cryorig R1 Universal
                          Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus X Hero Z370
                          RAM: Mushkin Blackline Ridgeback DDR4 2400 32g (2x16)
                          Graphics: EVGA GeForce GTX1060 FTW2 6GB
                          PSU: Corsair RM850x
                          Boot drive: Samsung 960 EVO M.2 500G
                          Recording drive: WD Velociraptor 600G (transfer from current machine)
                          Storage drives: WD Gold 4TB (x2), plus WD Black 2TB (x2) (transfer from current machine)
                          DVD/CD burner: Asus DRW-24B1ST
                          Case: Cooler Master Storm Stryker (Full Tower)

                          Upon opening the case, I realized I really should have considered a Mid Tower size. It is a suitcase. I'll have to modify the hutch for it to fit. The old Antec 1200 was a big case, but this one is a bit larger.

                          Hoping to have it running by Saturday, if UPS' estimate of Friday delivery on the remaining parts holds.
                          Last edited by aoVI; 11-28-2017, 10:44 PM.

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                          • #28
                            That's quite a spec, how long before it achieves sentience?

                            Have fun building it, try and have fun reinstalling everything... ;)
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by GaryG View Post
                              That's quite a spec, how long before it achieves sentience?

                              Have fun building it, try and have fun reinstalling everything... ;)
                              While none of my computers are self-aware, they do have a soul. All I have to do is transfer the soul of the old machine into the new one and there is no need for re-installations.

                              But yeah, reinstalling everything is part of the fun, until something goes horribly wrong with the licensing. I'm not betting on Alchemy working--if that is the case, I'll leave it on my old machine. It'll also be a good chance to break with some stuff I don't use any longer. I wonder how my Slate stuff will do since I haven't updated since they went Gobbler.

                              I save most all installers, so hopefully not a lot of downloading too...

                              And the list of stuff isn't going to work, ran out of ports. So nix to one of the 2TB old drives.
                              Last edited by aoVI; 11-29-2017, 08:25 PM.

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                              • #30
                                I had to wait on assembly for a couple of weeks while tending to other things, but finally got the chance to build the beast this weekend.


                                Haven't had a chance to feel the power yet; still transferring my files from the old machine. Feels good to have yet another backup of it all. I'll try and install StudioOne sometime tonight, but not sure if I would be able to finish the license transferring process for all the plugs.

                                Hey, all my iLoks were transferred the moment the dongle hit the port. [/pacefanboi]

                                I'll report back in a couple of days.

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